Photos Of Michael Jackson’s Resting Place Leaked
The photos above are from TMZ. They were posted on November 8th without a photo credit and are of Michael Jackson’s tomb.
It appears the photos were from Karen Faye, a longtime Jackson employee, who did Michael Jackson’s make-up and is very friendly with MJ’s brother Randy Jackson.
Some people are led to believe that TMZ swiped these photos from Karen’s Face book page. However, if that were true, the photos would have been taken down by now or a credit would have been given as they have posted info from Face book accounts before. TMZ is too smart to swipe photos people.
Drfunkenberry.com has learned exclusively (Not exclusively as TMZ knows how much they paid) that TMZ paid over $100,000 for the photos.
TMZ has a policy of when paying for photos that it has to be the person who took the photos in the first place to be paid. They are not going to swipe photos from a facebook account or take them from someone second hand.
So, it had to be the person who took the photos, Karen Faye, or say someone close to Karen, such as Randy Jackson. You have to sign the agreement with TMZ as they now become the owners of the photos, so no photo credit is needed.
I am told that Karen took mementos from fans that were sent in as she sent out a message weeks prior that that she would be going to Michael’s grave site and would put what fans sent in around his tomb. The photos were posted on Karen’s face book page a few weeks ago and ended up on TMZ Sunday.
It’s interesting because if Karen wasn’t paid and since she is the owner of the photos, why are they still on TMZ? She is trying to make it sound like someone swiped the photos and gave them to TMZ but that is not the case.
I think it is highly WRONG that you are posting private photos of his tomb in the first place, weather on a face book account or not. Then to turn around and make a profit off of them when you say youwere posting it “for the fans” as you say, it just straight up unprofessional as a former employee and someone who claims to do Michael right.
Now, if any of this information is not true, you can contact me and prove otherwise. TMZ, if posting these photos with your watermark is wrong and want it taken down, you can contact me as well. TMZ owns the photos hence why the watermark is there and why Karen is not making a stink for the photos to be taken down or even taken off her face book page.
What do you think of these photos coming out and the circumstances around them?-Dr.FB
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Sad … I logged in so I could commit .. but I just don’t know what to say.
Tacky Tacky Tacky. That is someones private grave. But in MJ’s case not surprising this was bound to happen….I’m surprise it didn’t happen sooner
It wouldnt surprise me if Karen sold them, they were posted on her fb site in a file called ‘This Is Really It’ and uploaded the day the film was released (possible the day after).
She has upset alot of the fans by her profile comments such as saying the red carpet at the premiere was like Michael’s blood and she wouldnt be attending the premiere becasue she could be sitting next to the murder.
Everyone is entitle to their own views a large % of the fans think he was murdered but alot of the fans still wanted to see the film. As some sort of closure, sure we know it will have been edited to show him in a good light but seeing it is a moment of escapism to try and forget. But her comments stick in peoples heads and make them feel worse about wanting to go and see it.
The weird thing is she is having her own little fanclub form, I guess its fans who are desperate to be near Michael/people who were close to Michael. She is definately liking the attention unlike other people who worked with him for just as long who havent kept posting stories and would never dream of betraying Michael in the same way.
i think this so wrong ….why!!!!! this is beyond tacky
WRONG.
doesnt surprise me in the least, but wrong. 2 claim 2 b someone’s friend, and then turn around and betray them 4 profit. its so gross.
that’s my 2 cents doc.
~melissa
I might be wrong, but it does not look like a private chapel and his tomb is clearly in view. I remember going tomb hunting at Forest Lawn, morbid but facinating.
I do not feel it’s tasteless at all and am inclined to say good on her as plenty of people are curious to see his final resting place.
I’m so relieved he’s not been shut up in some kind of drawer tomb, but has got something a bit more roomy and sumptious. He’s got a great spot there.
If the family had released an official picture, this would have been prevented, but anyhoo I think the ex -employee sounds most genuine and I guess she could consider the payment as loss of earnings?
A display of total lack of respect!But of course we did know that some schmuck would not be able to resist the temptation of getting their grubby hands on something like this! People have no shame nowadays and it is very sad!
RIP Michael
Thank you, Doc. It always comes out in the wash… in time.
It saddens many of us that it appears there was absolutely no one around Michael that was loyal and trustworthy. Betrayal can be had – for the right price, of course.
Spend some time on her Facebook page and see just how she’s honoring Michael. The vitriol spewed there on a daily basis not only by her faithful minions, but by herself, as well. I’m all for exposing the truth behind AEG/Sony, but she’s not exempt from that examination either.
Footnote: Karen Faye is also writing a book.
Disgusting…
Sorry, but when I see things like this, I think someone someone should check Jermaine and Papa Joe’s bank account activity
Lady – Randy Jackson was with her. He’s apparently not above selling stories to TMZ.
And yeah, it is disgusting.
Velo,I have no issues with the pictures at all and for what it’s worth I do NOT believe for 1 minute that KFK sold them.Someone has done that and not for her or at her request.
As far as the book is concerned,you clearly don’t know what you are talking about.
You would do better,to have your beef with susan etok.
What Karen Faye did was sick and disgusting and for TMZ to post those pics up just shows how classless TMZ is, but then again, this is TMZ we’re talking about here. What they sow, they will reap.
zooitje1:
Everyone is entitled to to believe what they wish. However, Ms Faye, in my opinion, is unstable and an attention whore– I know it sounds harsh, but I am also a friend on her page, and am appalled by the fandom that exists… And for whom? A make-up artist? She is a profiter, hence why she is writing a book. There will be nothing in her book that most fans do not already know about Michael. It will sell, however, because MJ fans will snatch up anything relating to him… I can just see it now…. “Long time friend and make-up artist, Karen Faye, reveals in this new tell all……” blah, blah, blah….. $$$$
Her FB page serves just to boost her ego… why else would she open up another after she passed 5,000?? Most people would just stop there, it’s hard enough to keep up with all those ‘friends’ on one page, let alone on 2.
For those of you who are on her page, you may recall a few days ago, Karen posted something on her wall. I can’t remember exactly what she wrote, so I won’t try to quote her because I will fail. However, I do remember her saying something like, “Michael said this________… now follow me:” and she was going to add more, but had no room and needed to continue below to finish writing. Well, many friends or fans of hers didn’t even wait for her to finish writing what she wanted us to follow her on, and began commenting stuff like, “okay, Karen”, “yes, I’ll follow you”, “whatever you say, I believe you”, “I will always follow you forever, I love you”…… CRAZY! I’m done with her page, and the majority of the people on there are just as unstable as Karen is, and need to get a serious life.
Poor, poor Michael……….
Velo, Mona …Respect
I saw you in FB and you don`t seem to be freaked out like many others.
Where do I find a serious community that I can share my views and questions?
In FB you are not contactable , nice thing…how you do it
First of all, she has never said she is writing a book. Please do your research. (That was obviously not to the OP.)
Second of all, with regards to the photos… I do not know what to think, to be honest. Karen has been asked about it and has responded (I am not going to post her response her.), but you’re right in saying that she has not addressed these questions. If TMZ stole her pictures, why not take legal action or at least have TMZ take them down? That said, I have a VERY hard time believing that she would sell out Michael like that.. it doesn’t make any sense to me. In thirty years of working with him, she has never betrayed him. She has never sold him out. And all of a sudden, she did?
Of course, there is the possibility that the pictures were all over the place and as such, she figured she might as well sell them. I don’t know.
Or what if Randy sold them?
This whole thing is a mess and I am honestly concerned. I would like to believe in Karen Faye… she has always seemed a loyal friend to Michael… and even now is ADAMANT that she had NOTHING to do with these pictures being sold.
I just wish I knew what to believe. I really want to believe in her.
As for posting the pictures on Facebook, I have to say that I understand why she did that. I also have to say that it should not have come as a shock that the pictures got out … of course they are going to get out.
So, what this rant boils down to it… WTF.
Karen, PLEASE, if you had nothing to do with this, SUE THEM. Get them taken down. ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. Fans trust you.. fans love you… and these same fans have no idea what to think now. Trust me. They’re nervous. They believe in you, still, but they’re nervous. Please don’t just let this fade into the background – because it won’t. Do something about this.
Alex,
With all due respect, you are the one that needs to be doing more research. Ms Faye has on numerous occasions said she is in the middle of writing a book. I am not sure if you are a ‘friend’ on her FB page or not, but she has said it many times. A direct quote from her is,
“if you guys won’t buy books from other people, why do you say you will buy my book…?”
She has also said early on that she was going to see the movie, TII, because she needed to do research for her book she is working on… however, later changed her mind, and did not attend the premier. She did, however, end up seeing the movie several days later.
All I have to say to you all is wake up…. not all things/people are what they appear to be. Stop being so blinded by Michael mania, and keep things in perspective.
filocast, great!
isn`t it frightening?
Its like a Macchiavelli study.
they are in “war with the others” already,
it`s completely hysteric and Mrs Karen got other things to do,haha
She is not there anymore actually, the cake is in the oven.
1 message a day: “I am so busy. Your love is overwhelming.
I try to log in later.”
Just when its about lets say lipstick alley ,
some Michael/Karen disciple reported that she s mentioned
suddenly 3 min after Working Karen is there:
Investigate this for me” HaHaHa
And they DID immediately!
Or Karens nephew Shawn :
Vote for Shawn !
His parents and his auntie want to get him into a fucking contest!
” I did. 2589 ! Love to Karen! ”
Its really a study for me.
But little frightening
sorry for my harsh post,
but i was so sickened already.
i dont say Karen is selling out Michael Jackson,
he is gone and she needs to take whats left.
He didnt mention her in his last will?
Sorry again, I know that sounds mean, but as you say filo
dont get into mania and wake up, people.
This internet is a great medium for us people to connect though
filocast2,
All I ever saw her say about a book was that she might write one one day. I guess if what you say is true, she is contradicting herself. My apologies.
was also there:
OMG- you said it! The whole “Voter for Shawn” thing!!! Give me a break… ridiculous the way some people are constantly posting “vote, vote!” Such kiss asses… another perfect example of the point I was trying to make. Nice to know there are others that exist who have a grasp on reality!
Thank you!
Thank you. This is exactly what I had hoped for on Karen’s FB page yesterday – an intelligent debate without resorting to name-calling and personal attacks.
Let me say however, that “Velo” and “Mone” are two different people. LOL We are friends, but not the same person.
Karen preaches love and respect on her page, yet within moments of my post on her page last night her followers called me a bitch, a loser, told me I make them puke and was told to go to hell several times. Not long after, they used those same filthy mouths to profess their undying love and support to Karen herself. Does this not fly in the face of all that Michael stood for?? L.O.V.E. is not a catch-phrase, it’s ACTION.
I want the truth behind everything just as much as all of you do – but not just the truth from Murray, Ortega, Phillips, et al. Karen Faye isn’t exempt from that scrutiny.
If those photos were indeed “stolen” as Karen Faye repeatedly suggests, then why has she not demanded they be removed from TMZ’s website?
If we step back from the emotion for a moment and look at this objectively, and with the knowledge that for chrissakes Karen Faye is NOT MICHAEL JACKSON (yes, this was actually an item in defense on her page yesterday), not all is as it seems, nor advertised. But then again, this isn’t the first time fans have been ‘taken’ by Karen Faye.
I just want to say, I don’t believe Ms. Faye to have a bad heart, or even bad intentions, necessarily. I think she is grieving like all of us, and needs her page the way many seem to need it for their own reasons. A part of me believes she posted the pics of MJ”s resting place truly for her ‘friends’, but I also believe she did agree to the sale to TMZ, along with Randy. Is that so wrong?? Who knows…. I do have my opinions though. I have heard Ms. Faye is not in a very good financial spot in her life these days, and could seriously make use of the money. Would we do the same if in her position? Maybe….. Perhaps it wasn’t initially her idea to sell, but Randy’s, and after some convincing, she agreed, perhaps reluctantly…? Maybe she regrets, who knows..?
Again, all I’m saying is that at times, she does not come across as sincere as many think she is…… I am always suspicious anyway, just how I am… I just don’t get the fanatics on there.
…and the Apfelkopfs as well
I saw it and was laughing how surreal the scenery.
You were lucky that its just happening online !
I also want the truth behind all
They are all here reading…HALLO
But nobody writes a word.
Code Red from Karen in”Karenland” to “Karens Soldiers” ,
that is authentic ! I dont joke about this .
But I must say , that this was not her idea.
The whole thing just flows, she is a real connection to Michael.
Probably we would do something similar if we were her.
Velo, you’re not going to get that there. There are a few “fans” of Karen’s (fans of Michael’s that connect to Karen? Whatever.) that will have a conversation like that with you, but many on that page will not listen to reason. I agree with them to a point – that it is unfair to make an assumption like this – but not that it is not worth discussing. If there could be a place for people to actually discuss this without being rude and mean, that’d be fabulous. Is this the place? LOL
Like I said, I want to believe in Karen too. I really really do. But… well, you know.
I don’t think she’s “evil” at any rate, either.
Sorry but I believe Karen Faye and TMZ is doing nothing but turning everyone against MJ’s family and friends meanwhile saying absolutely nothing about the businessmen who may have something to do with his death.
It’s just like when he was alive except now they are targetting his family.
K. Faye has two facebooks so 10,000 readers, she is VERY dangerous, she is unfair, sneaky, she lies, she is exploiting and manipulating the real pains of her readers who are in the great majority addicted to her facebook. She knows perfectly well that among her readers, there are press people journalists, she said always do not share my facebooks but she knows perfectly well also, that many of her readers will do it and it is exactly what she wants. She took and sent the photos of Michael’s resting place without the family’s permission and when she goes to Forrest Lawn, she permits to unauthorized persons (fans) to go with her. She is violating privacy and laws. Now after this incident, she pretends to be annoyed but in fact she has reached her purpose. Normally, she would be more careful, no she does exactly the contrary, she continues to give more and more details on the privacy of Michael Jackson. she is jealous of all women that were near him, saying that they were invasive fans and says that Michael was laughing of them with her, and that it’s impossible MJ was very respectful towards women, he was a gentleman. She says that he was extremely jealous of all her husbands and boyfriends, that he did not want to share her with others, (she transforms her desires for realities). She is mentally unstable. Some people thinks that she never betrayed MJ, it’s wrong, he fired twice, the first one was during History Tour and the second one in 2005 after the trial. The problem of Faye is that during 25 years she saw her boss attracted by different women, but never by her and she is greatly frustrated and jealous. Now she knows that she will become more and more ignored and she is trying that this will be the latest possible and after having her book. She pretends to have being the greatest confident of MJ, in fact she knows of him what everybody knows, he never talk with her about his very private life. She has always betrayed MJ and she continues. I have read on many MJ forums that she banned, they are disgusted by her bad behavior and refuse to speak of her anymore. Please people who are reading her facebooks, open your eyes, wake up, she is exploiting your sorrow, you are in a period of psychological weakness, you need to speak to somebody who was an employee of MJ, but you have choosen the wrong one. Lize Taylor, Macaulay Culkin, Frank Tyson, Chris Tucker do not speak of MJ, because they are real true friends and remember MJ himself said ‘Those who know, don’t speak, those who speak don’t know.
Albertmo : When/why was Karen fired during the HIStory tour? I thought she was only let go after 2005 when a lot of others were let go as well?
Maybe she and Randy want to build a new fancommunity,
they run one before a few years already.
So people that are better informed than I am
can see with or against who “Karenland” is , nice name for the project
Randy, Jay , Karen, for sure NOT Susan Etok !
Thats also really a piece of comedy to see ….
But again, thats not karens fault that peoples minds are so corrupted.
I came to her page because I thought she might be honest and that I can find information .
But of course this was naive…
MJs death is a huge event and now its the time to make money and not the time to investigate.
Even the authorities are quiet and its all like a long warm chewinggum.
I am glad that other people see what type of person Karen Faye is. She is a classic manipulator. Many of the people on that site attack anyone with a differing opinion with venom. It is if they are in a cult and whatever Karen says is gospel. They are in “Karenland”
And what really got me are the folks on the page pushing voting for this Shawn kid.Several even said that if you didn’t vote that you did not really love Karen. Love Karen? They don’t know this woman, yet they are drinking some serious kool-aid on her site. The day she told everyone that she had turned in her book proposal I knew what her game plan was.
I worry about the devoted followers on her page. They seem lost and troubled, they are on her page all day, they talk of crying all the time when they think of MJ and even crying when they don’t see an update from Karen. This is usually the behavior of people who are already unstable and seek to cling to others as their anchor in thier self-created reality.
Did Karen sell those pictures to TMZ? Of course she did! But she knows her brainwashed fans will never believe it because they live in “Karenland”
a long warm chewinggum covered with MJ movie,music, ringtones, pictures, clothes,posters,etcetera etcetera
Can I just say again that TMZ doesn’t own the pics? Splash Media owns the pics. Every other source that has posted the pics had given credit to Splash Media. Does Splash Media own TMZ? If not, I don’t get how TMZ gets to splash their logo all over the pics – and Karen didn’t sell them to TMZ. If anything, she sold them to Splash Media.
Wow– today is the first time in months that I have found other people who admire and appreciate Michael Jackson, but who, well, get it. A real breath of fresh air, thank you!
Much, if not all of what Albertino writes is true. Ms Faye was let go, not once, but twice. The way she writes off every possible female companion is disturbing, it’s as if she really is jealous. We all know Michael had issues, and towards the end of his life (kills me to write that) he did not have much control on various aspects of his life. Terminating and rehiring seems to have been a running theme for him….. He was easily coerced into making certain decisions.
Chante, you are absolutely correct. All the talk about loving Karen and stuff blows me away. I have befriended a few from Karen’s page– received friend requests, and accepted. After accepting a few, I was bombarded with so many others, but have not accepted anymore. I have had a FB account long before I added Karen, unlike many that seemed to have created one precisely for Karen and MJ related stuff. Many that are on my friends list will post things like “I love you more” on my wall, send me virtual gifts and stuff without having ever met me– they do not know me, but just because we love Michael, we must all participate in this love fest?? No. I am sorry, but I take the work love very seriously, as the word hate. I will not use unless I absolutely feel it.
These people really are unstable, and are clinging on to Karen for life, it seems….. When I make my way over to check in, I see the same people day in and day out… I swear, how do these people live?? How do they make a living being on there 24/7??? It’s disturbing — sick, sorry… but it’s how I feel.
Thanks again to those that actually have your eyes wide open.
Does ANYONE know why Karen was fired in the 90’s? It’s like finding the answer to the meaning of life, LOL! Either people say “no she wasn’t” or they don’t know why she was.
Oh Filo…..love you more <3
ha-ha
no, i mean it…
i am not so fast with reading and writing in english sorry.
but you guys? made my day
serious now…how you described michael…there are others !
I am not alone with this …
I want to find the truth
I need to
I could write a book myself after 4 months Michael Jackson ,
and I was or am NEVER a fan of him or anybody.
Its a little obsession…
so I understand how the fans are desperate like this.
But…how can I say,
I feel like in a George Orwell Book.
I dont know if I was clear,
I feel so touched from him since his death, that I need to find out if he is… lets say it pathetic a star of light or fallen.
He knew how to keep the mistery
LOL, ‘was also there’ …..
It is an obsession to a degree. I think we are all a little obsessed, or we wouldn’t be here posting comments, or a friend on Karen’s page either. There is no doubt that Michael’s passing has had a huge effect on all of us, and we all are interested in what really happened, whether we will really know or not is another story. The difference is we are able to be objective, question things and keep an open mind, rather than believe everything that is told to us like little children.
I have contemplated removing Karen from my list, but I will probably keep her on, just out of sheer curiosity. It’s just really sad– all of it…. Michael’s entire life, and the players in it… such a tragedy. What an amazing soul he was.
i agree and lets start
i am questioning something.
How is it possible that AEG kept going on with the O2 Arena
and “organizing” 50 concerts there….
that Michael even wasnt insured for,
instead of moving to Wembley with what makes 10 – 15 concerts
instead ?
I know that O2 belongs to AEG but many professionals were questioning the high amount and Michael complained to fans.
For all of them around Michael knowing him better it MUST have been clear that he cant make 50 concerts.
This means they knew before he will not make it , maybe thats why no costumes and all this stuff
what do you think about it ?
I’m not sure I can add much more at this point except a hearty “AMEN!!” with much gratitude and love to each of you for sharing your thoughts in a constructive manner, and creating an environment that encourages open discussion.
This is just the tip of the iceberg…
I want the TRUTH about Michael–I believe that EVERYONE who had anything 2 do with Michael in the last 5 years of his life are SUSPECT. Karen, as someone put it above was just a “make up artist” who happened 2 become “friends” with her employer over the years. When someone is MURDERED EVERYONE is a suspect until the case is solved…even KAREN. I dont understand how someone like Karen who had access 2 Michael the last 6months could have failed so miserably 2 interviene. I understand why his family couldnt get 2 him or was kept at bay. Karen and Michael Lee Bush…how did they fail? Was it simply, they felt, not their problem? Did they not have time? Did they think oh he’ll be fine Michaels just being Michael? What happened? We all know the obvious culprits, AEG/SONY, MURRAY, K.O. but IMHO u look at the folks that were closest 2 the victim as well as the obvious. People in KARENLAND are dellusional and can not havea an intellectual conversation there—They see KAREN as an IDOL and MARTYR. this I do not understand. She want the star that fell, she wasnt the life that was lost. Perhaps her FB page is her way 2 cope with the emmense GUILT she must feel 4 betraying Michael, her so called good friend or not being there when he needed her most. Perhaps all this adoration from her disciples is her way of justifying her place as his friend. An affirmation or validation of sorts. Who really knows. What I do know is it should be screaming loud out of every news outlet in the world that KAREN FAYE is SUING somebody about HER pictures…but its not–i will continue 2 ask questions and keep my eyes open. I owe Michael at least that much…all for love…L.O.V.E
p.s.the word is that Karen used 2 run MJJSource with Randy Jackson–set up so the fans could be informed of Michaels trial through people in Michaels camp–Kinda like a “inside track”—the fans paid money 2 join and the site went up–A few post were made about the trials but the site was then taken down before the trials where even over–The fans where never given a refund on the defunked website…where do u suppose that money went to? Karen Faye publicly blamed Grace Rwianda [sp?] Siting that Grace stole the money etc—Grace…is the nanny in charge of takin care of Michaels 3 children…jealous much Karen?
Does anyone know if what this bloke writes could be true?
bit. ly/426JIb
“Further evidence that Jackson’s latest motto is ‘out with the new, in with the old’ comes in the shape of his former make-up artist Karen Faye. Faye was unceremoniously ditched after Jackson’s 2005 trial when he jetted off to the Middle East.
However, some insiders say Jackson was better off rid of her. Using the nickname ‘Turkle’, Faye had a tendency to visit fansites, whilst still under Jackson’s employ, and post messages about the size of her boss’s crotch.
Jackson, according to the Newshound’s sources, recently bought Faye an iPhone and a large plasma television to apologise for cutting her off. Sources say Jackson is planning to move back into Neverland and has provided Faye with his new phone number and invited her to visit him at the ranch.”
According to a fan who went to FL to the security guard reckons that none of the family have gone to visit the grave. The only people to have visited was Karen and her entourage (his words though i guess he means the fans), Stevie Wonder and i think they said Michael Bush. So I am not sure where Randy came into the picture. Also apparently about 200 fans go to FL every week.
I have done a lot of digging around with regards to Michael and company. The article reiterates much of what I already came to find out on my own, except for 1 major thing. It was NOT Randy Jackson that accompanied Karen to Forest Lawn, but Randy Taraborrelli, author of “The Magic and The Madness, Michael Jackson”. This is a huge error, and exactly how rumors are started. I hope Dr.Funkenberry.com corrects this information. For those of you that follow Karen, you will recall her mentioning that she visited Michael with a close family friend. If it were a member of the family, I am certain she would have said with a member of the Jackson family, even if she wanted to omit names.
This is very important, I hope people will pick up on this error.
THIS IS SO PAINFUL TO SEE !!! just a reminder that this is indeed real
Karen Faye should not be allowed to be a make-up artist and touch another face !! who told her to make his mouth bright red is beyond me so yes those who were in his circle will show their true colors whether or not they decide to profit from this….
*sigh* life was better on June 24th if only we could go back
Poor Michael. Poor poor Michael. That’s all I can say.
And o yeah, TMZ and that slimey creep of a rat Harvey Levin are just disgusting.
It is sad that so many uses Michael. Suddenly many claims that they were MJ’s best friend. I think like many of you here. But I wish that we will know the truth. If what Karen writes is true or not is hard to know. And whatever Karen writes she gets many comments. Sometimes it’s becomes ridiculous. I feel sad for MJ that he had so many people in life that not seem to love him for the man he was. Just beacuse he was King of Pop! And this vote for Shawn Is making me sick. That Is so tacky to use Michael’s fans for her nephew to win!!I wonder what Michael would have thought of that? A competition will be more exciting if it is not fished for votes. In this way he can not win honestly. And I feel sorry for the boy in that way!
Karen was fully aware that the images of Michael’s resting place would be spread around. And yet she gets angry that just that happened. It was veryimmature of her. She should never put in the pictures in first place. So she must take the blame and not blame everbody else for her own misstake!
Faye was fired twice. The first one during History Tour, she says that Tarak Ben Amar fired all the employees of Michael to put his own employees for manipulating him better. It’s absolutely wrong, she was the only one to be fired and it was Michael who asked Ben Amar to do it. The reason was that this obsessed Faye was always in contact with fans through the net and commenting on “how big are the genitals of Michael” !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Knowing this, he was very upset and he fired her. The second was in 2005 : she created with Randy Jackson a site for giving news on the trial and she created a subscription of 50 $, Michael was once more very upset, he ordered to close the internet site and she was fired but she kept all the subscriptions already received. Before closing the site, she spoke of Michael with very bad words. An again when she was engaged for This is it, she spoke too much of the rehearsals on her facebook and Michael was constrained, once more, to tell her that in her contract there is a confidentiality clause and she must stop to release information. But the worst is not this.
The worst is that she says (on her facebook, I am not on her facebook, but some friends of mine are) she saw during the last three weeks before his death that the physical and mental health of Michal was deteriorating, he was freezing, very nervous, he does not eat and drink enough and he was loosing weight ; some fans told her that they were very anxious for the state of Michael and they wanted to alert his friends like Liz Taylor to help him and she replied “Yes I know, but do no do anything for his safe!!!!! what safe ??? now she is blaming AEG and Ortega, saying they are responsible for his death but if they are responsible, she is their accomplice, she did absolutely nothing to help MJ and she prevented the fans to help him, she must be sued for non assistance to a person in danger.
We must realize that if she helped Michael or let the fans helped him, to-day, he would be always alive.
I agree with all you about Faye behaviour, let alone karenland fanatics.
@Juliette
How do you know Karen was the only one to be fired and it was Michael who asked Ben Amar to do it ?
When do you say “she spoke of Michael with very bad words”, can you clear up what did she said?
I looking for and questioning a lot, I know. I’m also trying to sear for the truth, and as some of you said before it’s imposible to question anything on Karen FB….
I am amazed that there are some people left, that think independant.
I dont know with who Karen Faye was at FL, if it was Taborrelli we will probably find some pics in his next book ….
but for sure she is installing some new fan-community with Randy.
If they are honest with each other…who knows.
I remember her stating this on her page:
“Go to Randys page . He is one of US !”
In a way its not fair:
We are watching Karen, Randy, Susan Etok and whoever comes by….
discussing, blaming…
the money makers and maybe assassins sitting undisturbed in the back , pockets wide open and “dancing on the table each night” celebrating MJ`s death.
And yes, I also would like to point on something :
After all Karen is a person that stayed with MJ a long time, she should know him well.
Of course “they” will prevent her from really going against them…
she will have her offers.
We should not be naive and claim truth, where it never was.
Just reacll the story how the Jackson5 got discovered, actually by Gladys Knight ….but for publicity, thats us the flock !,
it was Diana Ross and Gordy made clear that THIS version will enter the history books !
Thats about history books my friends, and this is “just” pop music….
Lets try to find the truth together, rage against the machine !
@ is there : I think that Newshound’s sources are wrong because Faye said on her facebook that she had no contact with Michael between 2005 and May 2009 when she was engaged by AEG for the O2 Arena concerts and Michael had never the intention to reopen Neverland.
@justice : I know that Faye was the only one to be fired because Michael Lee Bush and others were not fired. I have all these information from a friend of mine who was also a friend of Michael, I cannot say his name, because he is one these who are very loyal and true to Michael and never spoke of him on the net. Now he lives in New York, but before he lived for many years at Neverland with his sister and two brothers, all four have followed Michael on all the History Tour, and he knows much any others on MJ’s private life.
Look, I dont understand how people can complain about “using Michael” and freaking about leaking pictures,
that THEY were so keen to see !
Get real people, we know MJ because he was used and so were we.
Thats how this malformed business goes…
We maybe have a chance to overthink our culture now that we got a glimpse into this elusive swamp.
What is important..
to find out how it was possible that under the eyes of so many powerful people and “Best friends” Michael could be an addict to a narcotic that needed to be administered by IV !
Which doctors treated his face and skin so badly and irresponsible that Michael had to spend his life with pain and a face that was falling apart ?
Just the imagination is so perverted,
it was for sure more than one and Michael was not the only victim of them.
Again: How its possible that AEG continues to “organize” 50 concerts in the O2 Arena(20.000) , that so many experts and insiders claimed that Michael cant do it…,
but not move to Wembley(75.000 – 90.000) and make 10 – 15 concerts there ???
And no costumes ready ?
For me it looks very much like a murder….
we need to investigate and find out ourselves…
cause even authorities are silent and let them (AEG,SONY etc) have their business of the year !
@Albertmo
So MLB was not fired? I didn’t know… btw, what’s your opinion about him… he seems to be much loyal, right?
@Just another
The first I thought was Murder. Now with all that people is saying I don’t know. Would you consider suicide? Nevertheless, I can’t believe Michael was in such terrible condition… at least not in the footage we can see… what do you think?
I dont care what anyone says I wil never believe it was suicide, he would never leave his children like that. I truely believe it was murder, even if it was an accident to overdose him if they had responded quicker he would still be here today.
I wish he had never agreed to do those stupid concerts, because there isnt a true fan out there that would say they would rather of had a concert than him alive today. I would swap everything (new music, videos, concerts etc) and have him live a quiet life doing nothing just to have him back
@b3xy
If we believe Michael was over-drugged and deppresive, then the posibility of suicide becomes more belieble. A deppress person can easily think that killing himself would be the better for his kids.
It’s just a posibility…Although I’m still thinking in murder.
@Justice
I am on Michael Lee Bush facebook, he very honest and right, a true loyal friend, he never speaks of Michael’s private llife, he talks of the costumes he made for him. He is always correct and I trust him.
Concerning the death of Michael, I am absolutely sure that it is not a suicide, it’s first priority was his chidren, they were his happiness and his force, he would NEVER commit suicide and honestly I do not think it’s a murder. It’s only this awful Murray who does wrong things, injecting too much drugs and making a mixture.
Karen said on her FB page after people where freakin out about the pics that she had permission 2 take the pics and that she was with a “Jackson”–J Randy T is NOT a Jackson. There was I believe 3 other females with Ms Faye at FL, Ms Faye herself and the person who took the pic of them together—As far as I know u have 2 have a key 2 access MJ place of rest—Plus Ms Faye & Randy Jackson are BFF—Randy Jackson is in bed with TMZ–this isnt the first stime hes sold information about his family and famous brother…sadly it wont be the last—
p.s. J Randy T I dont believe has even met Ms Faye
I do not believe one work of Faye, she changes always the version of her stories. If she says that she was with a Jackson, it’s for warding off her suspicions.
Since he published an unauthorized biography of him, Michael considered Randy T. like an ennemy and they never met since a long time
@ Laureen Michael had no beef with J Randy T–He did not see JRT as an enemy
I am a “friend” on Faye’s FB account and don’t have any issues with what she has said on it. Think posting photos of MJ’s burial tomb was rather weird…….. Karen got upset that someone “stole” the photos but then, why did you put them on Facebook, Karen? With 5,000 “friends” you don’t know, you are ripe for the picking. The idea that she may herself have sold the photos to TMZ is interesting, as is the idea that she split this with Randy Jackson.
What I have learned in the film business is that even non-actors and “poor” actors can be consummate actors, and dupe the public depending on how they want to spin their story. Michael Jackson himself lied many times to the camera — about his plastic surgeries, etc. For goodness sakes he said, in the same interview w/Martin Bashir (no flames please!) that Blanket’s mother was someone he had an intimate relationship with; later he says she was annonymous! Even dear MJ massaged the truth as he saw fit.
Seems so many people “close to” Michael are now showing themselves to be classless & revolting. Look at Arnold Klein’s revelations on TMZ. Pathetic.
What I am interested in knowing is whether this DR. SUSAN ETOK is another fraud? Have not been able to find ANYTHING on her to back up her credibility, other than the fact that she did was a lecturer at a certain university and presumably has a PhD. But did she ever meet Michael? Why no photos of them together?? Even fans who only talked with MJ for a couple of minutes were obliged a photograph with him (he was so kind).
Susan Etok smells like a fraud, albeit an articulate one. I’d be more inclined to go on a witch hunt about her than Karen Faye, who we at least know did have a long standing working relationship and friendship with Michael (I mean, they dined together socially!).
Someone please weigh in!!!
PLEASE SPREAD LOVE NOT HATE. MICHAEL L. BUSH, KAREN FAYE, THEY LOVED MICHAEL… THEY HAVE BEEN LOYAL FRIENDS SINCE EVER!! MICHAEL HIRED THEM, CHAT WITH THEM, WENT TO DINNER TOGETHER, TRAVELED, WORK TOGETHER, MICHAEL VISITED THEIR HOMES, CHATTED… THEY SUPPORTED HIM THROUGH THE TRIAL, WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO DESTROY THOSE PEOPLE?
@Claude
I agree with you Michael Bush is a very loyal friend of Michael, but not Faye, she says always spread love but she hates nanny Grace and Jermaine !!! She is unstable she says something and some days after she says exactly the opposite.
True friends are not speaking on Michael now, only the betrayers. She is jealous of Grace because she was more important in the life of Michal and his children than her, she was only an employee that Michael fired twice in the past.
Faye is playing a double game, with her readers addicted to her facebook, she plays the kind, loving, honest person, she proclames herself the most loyal true friend of Michael, but any time it’s possible to make money on his back, she does. Do you remember the money stolen to MJ’s fans in 2005 when she created a web site, she never returned this money when MJ ordered to close this site. Claude you are not a MJ’s fan, you are a Faye’s fan. Wake up.
Have you read the comment of Juliette above, Faye did not helped MJ when she saw that his health was becoming bad, she is responsible of his death.
Good to see, that there is still a conversation here.
@Juliette
If this is true, that fans mentioned their worries about Michael and KFK stopped them…
thats strange and people should follow this.
Did somebody ask her about it on her page?
I watched some footages from TII,
it doesnt look and sound at all as if this is Michaels piece of art,
more as if he was an employee.
Thats also strange.
We hear about extravagancies in the media” Michael as usual”
but I cant see this in real.
He HAD to do these concerts…they wanted back their money and MJ didnt have a choice.
I dont believe in suicide.
THis was an accident caused by culpable negligance or murder.
Still I question the choice of O2 instead of moving to Wembley after knowing that there are already 1.000.000 people to come.
People/women? should stop these stupid fights about Susan or Karen or Grace…thats ridiculous.
We should put our powers in finding out some truth.
@ALBERTMO:
I think that you speculate and judge too much. I am a MJ’s fan, not Karen’s; anyway, I do respect her, and have nothing against her nor anybody.
Everybody has the right to have an opinion, and she does, you may agree with her or not, but there is not absolute reason for you to hate her .
Not only “betrayers” (as you call them) are speaking now, I have heard very nice people giving their interesting points of view, like Miko Brando, Janet Jackson, Rev. Sheaperd, Liza Minelli, Lisa Marie, and they have been friends and important people in Michael’s life. Even Grace has spoken to the media and not very nicely by the way. We are talking now in public, and we are not beytrayers, are we?.
I think all this people had a different role in Michael’s life, and only him can answer who he loved most or was more or less important, not you, not me. Grace was fired too, Karen was fired by somebody else in the last leg of History tour, under different circumstances, but we can’t assure, or be so rigid on postures because we weren’t there to witness nor asked Michael regarding this particular situations.
You can’t blame Karen for Michael’s death, she did what she could, she spoke with AEG CEO, and Kenny Ortega about her concerns in order to help Michael properly, but they didn’t react quickly and well, remember that they were very few months of rehearsals before he passed, and the worst began 2 weeks before june 25. Grace didn’t save Michael did she? She was, according to your words, Grace was more important in Michael’s life than her, so if she was that important she had to do something, she was very intimate!
You are Grace’s fan not Michael’s. You are the one who must wake up, but must of all try to open your mind and don’t be so rigid.
I don’t have nothing against Grace, You, Karen, Michael L Bush, nor anybody.
Don’t judge that hard.
@ just another Apfelkopf:
LOL! please watch the actual movie (and not a footage or two) before you assess whether Michael was “just another employee” in it. You’re completely and UTTERLY wrong in your assumption there.
Should a legal issue arise I’d be interested to see if TMZ would confirm they bought them and from whom….
claude
Faye was fired by ben Amar at the request of Michael Jackson, and in 2005 by MJ himself, she never returned to the fans the money of their subscription when MJ ordered at once to shut the internet site. he was very upset of this.
During the three weeks before the death, she says that Ortega and AEG did not pay attention to what she told them on MJ health, but she did not do more in seeking help near MJ friends and she did want that the fans did some help. If she has left the fans did as they wanted MJ should be alive, she a betrayer and she write a book to make moneys on MJ’s back her too. she has a oart if responsibiity in MJ’s death
@SamyJo: Well I’ve heard total different stories regarding the things you are saying, I can tell you that my sources are as trustworthyl as yours, but to be fair and objective you weren’t there neither did I, so, we have to gave the benefit of doubt to everyone. And don’t judge.
Karen did what she could and thought was correct in that moment to help Michael; she, the fans, or you, didn’t know that he was going to die on june 25th. The fans could have limited access to Michael, so, the correct aproach was with the people encharged of the tour. If she or you or me, would have known what was going to happen to michael on the exact date, we would have do ANYTHING! i think, even kidnap him, to save him… unfortunatley, we, nobody knew the future… She is not writing a book, you are misinformed.
If she is responsible for michael’s death, then we all are, and all the people who was near michael those days.
I think we all here, should be focusing more in looking justice to be served for Michael, that the authorities finish a fair and complete investigation.
@ objective truth seeker
I hear that susan etok is fanatic fan who actually did meet michael and had some phone conversations with michael –i dont know if it was often or when but apparently she believed that her and michael had a relationship— and that she was his bff–from what i hear about all these caddy woman in michaels life, karen faye, tatianna thumbzen, susan etok, grace rhiwanda etc they all seemed 2 think they owned michael or that michael wanted 2 be with them—who knows what the hell the deal is–but susan etok is writting a book about michael—-karen also mention she was writting a book on her FB page–I have no idea why someone keeps saying she s not–she mentioned it several times before on her FB–hasnt mentioned it lately but has a few times since june
Claude
Faye said many times on her facebook that she is writing a book on Michael, she is always saying that people that have writing books since his death are vultures (it’s the only point that I agree with her), but she thinks that she has the right to do it without being treated as a vulture her too. She is also writing a diary on the three last monts she were with him, for making the truth on Michael’s death. She says that the autopsy report released saying that Michael was in good shape, is a fake, maybe she is right, maybe she is wrong, I don’t know, but what is sure nobody needs Faye to make the truth, if this report is a fake, the true one will be released in due time, I know that we should all like that the things go faster, but as LAPD said recently, they want to be very careful and make no mistake. Jackson family has their own private report autopsy and know the truth without the intervention of Faye. This person is giving to herself an importance that she has not. I know that the fans had a very limited access to Michael and they are in no way responsible of this death, Faye and the others who worked with him quite every day and have seen his bad health are responsible for having doing nothing, but Faye is blaming only Ortega and AEG, she is not blaming herself and others.
Albertmo, (please excuse my english, am from France)
Yes, you are right, she said that she was thinking about writing a book, but she also said that she has doubts about doing it, she hasn’t mention anything regarding that book, since a long time ago, so I don’t know if she is writing it or not, but I truly don’t care, though it would be interesting to know her life experince with MJ. On the other hand, regarding the diary she said was writting, she said that it was not going to published, that she was writing that diary for some especial members in the Jackson’s family, because she finds her (fresh) memories could be useful in this process of grieiving and seeking the truth and that the family can know what she witnessed; it has nothing to do with comercial intends.
May be you don’t need Faye telling the truth, her points of view, or what she witnessed, but she does need to express and that’s why we have freedom of speech; there are other people who do want to hear her opinions, so, I think that this is a matter of freedom of choice and respect. It is valid that you or anybody seek the truth where ever you feel like it.
I am praying for the investigation to conclude well and soon, I really hope that the delay is because they are being very careful… Michael deserves Justice, and that really is the most important thing here, beyond Karen, or Grace, or me or you.
I can’t blame Faye for pointing Ortega and AEG, because they were the leaders of that project, they were parters of Michael, they were “bosses” and she told them loudly her concerns about how she saw in Michael and they send her to kept him warm and to buy a bucket of KFC…
If you want to judge hard, you can start with MJ´s family, where were they? They saw him 2 weeks before he died.
Spread love, not hate. I respect your points of view. I send you a hug.
@CLAUDE michaels family had little 2 no access 2 michael as they virtually never did–if michael wanted 2 keep his family at bay, which he did often, the people around michael through michaels instruction would do just that–his family had no platform 2 save him or intervene–unfortunately– people like karen faye, michael lee bush, kenny ortega, sony/aeg, grace etc and any other person who lived with or worked around michael on a daily basis that could see something was wrong are the people who dropped the ball imho—the ultimate rest with MURRAY
Im hearing that MURRAY will be arrest by the end of the year or early in january–they are being extremely careful–they know all eyes are on them —if they f*ck up i think the fans will freak out and burn california down 4 real–I pray justice is served
I agree totally with those who say that K. Faye is weird and not fair. In her facebook, she asks to her “friends” to spy each other and to send to her a private mail giving the name of the persons who are not in agreement with what she says (very insane), she is also blaming every body for the death of MJ, except her, yet she was one another witness to what happened, if MJ was as weak as she pretends she did noting as the others and she tries to mask her responsibilities. I saw on many MJ forums that they have banned her from their discussion because they are disgusted by the fact she has released the pics of MJ’s grave. What I find a little funny and strange is that Michael Bush on his face book is always quoting words like “Don’t miss a chance to shut up” or ” those who know dont speak, those who speaks don’t know”, it seems to me that it’s a classy way to say that he don’t agree the behavior of colleague K. faye.
@INVINCIBLE:
I agree with you. But then we have to blame also (and very hard) the people around Michael who, knowing his “health conditions”, deliberately limited the access of the family and did not informed them about it. But I am going to say something. I have a son and I have brothers and sisters, and believe me, there is nobody in this world who could stop me to see them if I see/feel my “son”, “bro/sis” is in trouble. Especially if you are a mother or father… His parents should have gotten to the police to see why he didn’t want to see them, why he was so reclusive and why my son was so thin; The only idea of somebody blocking me access to my son, would be an alarm to me, and reason enough to break in. Besides, I couldn’t be out of touch with my son knowing all the hell he went through since 2005 trial. Frankly I would’ve be very concern especially if he restrains access, I would do Anything possible to see what is going on and act in consecuence… They didnt.
There are too many people to blame in more or less degree…. It’s terrible.
Hugs.
Antonia: Remeber that K.Faye facebook page is private, is not a blog, or a fan site. She has the right to get rid of whomever she doesn’t feel comfortable with, or who is disrespectful in some way. It is her right.
She and Michael L Bush are ok, if not, he/she wouldn´t be activley participating in each others FB pages in friendly terms, with nice comments.
If you are going to blame KFaye for Michael’s death, then you have to blame also Michael L Bush, (and everybody who was in contact with him) they were there also there with Michael, and witnessed the same things.
Best regards.
reply to Claude
It is exactly what I said about Faye “She did nothing AS THE OTHERS” but the big difference between her and the others, she is blaming the others except her, M. Bush does not blame anybody. Faye refuses her responsibilities. And to spy each others is not spreading the love as she pretends. And as Bush says “Those who know don’t speak, those who speak don’t know” Faye does not know more than all the fans know and I know that Bush and her good friends, but Bush was never fired by Michael, Faye twice.
Antonia:
She, Karen, is blaming only the people she talked to about her concerns, she blame them because they had the authority to do something convincing, and they didn’t pay any atention, at least she was concerned and did spoke loudly to the leaders and authorities of the proyect, others didn’t do anything.
If Karen or Michael Bush have any responsability in Michael’s death, you’ll confirm it in the moment they got arrest by the police.
She is not spying anybody, I don’t know what you mean by that. What I know is that she is deleting people who have been irrespectful and who actually are spying in and defaming in her own private FB page.
I think you see what you wanna see with MLB words, because they have a respectful friendship. I can’t see MLB throwing “indirect words” to her, if he can say directly to her what he thinks. I don’t think is his style… but well you can think what you prefer.
Faye had much more direct access to Michael than “all the fans” so she knows more.
By the way, Michael hired Faye for TII at his request. I don’t find any problem with that. The reasons (which she had explained more than once) why she was fired before don’t seem sufficent enough to not being rehired again by Michael in 2009.
What I find interesting here is, Why so much hate towards her? or somebody in special? It is obvius your dislike for her very much, its wierd…
I couldn’t hate Grace, MLB, Faye, Susan E., because I don’t know them, I didn’t ask Michael about them, so If i wasnt there to witness their actions and relationship with Michael, how could I hate them?
Claude
If some others had the authority to do something, Faye and ALL the persons working with MJ had the authority and the duty to help their friend. If Faye was afraid because she was under contract with AEG, she had the duty of alerting Randy Jackson ( his big friend) or Lise Taylor. Faye knows on MJ only what MJ wanted to let her know, Frank Cascio knows on MJ more and more as anyone. In 2005, when MJ very upset by her behavior ordered to shut the internet site she created, why she did not give back the money stolen to certains fans ? IThe reason for what many people here and on other forums are disgusted of her is because many trusted her and many were shocked by the fact she photographes MJ’s grave. Her excuse was to share with the fans, but she was wrong. The fans have a lost a fantastic artist, but Jackson family has lost a son, a brother and a father, their desire to keep the grave private comes before the fans’ desire. And more she violated the laws of FL, th direction was very angry and now she cannot go anymore to the grave; even if she is not happy with this, she must respect Jackson famiily desire and laws.
Antonia,
I think you speculate too much. I can’t judge her, or anybody else who worked with him, because I was not there in that moments nor in their shoes. Though I dont think she was afraid because she was under contract with AEG, because she did alert the AEG’s CEO and other directors in that organization, they were heads and leaders and did nothing.
I think all people, in general know about other people what that other people want them to know, incluiding Faye, Cassio, fans, or whoever… I don’t know if there is somekind of “know-meter” of Michael Jackson, and I dont think there is not a contest regarding that quantity of knowledge…
I wonder, if she robed fans as you state here, why nobody sue her?, even Michael could have sued her! But nobody did… so may be you are speculating again. Why don’t you ask her directly? I know what she said about this (nothing like you are saying), but I think that if you were robbed, you should ask her directly.
What is the problem with that pictures she posted in her private FB page? She didn’t post them in a blog, or a public fan site. She is not showing anything improper or morbid either; she is showing what a lot of fans respectfuly wanted and asked to see! I think you all Faye’s haters, are trying to crucify her for any reason… Michael was a public figure, he truly loved his fans and always kept direct conctac with them, and I think you are making a lot of fuss of nothing.
Best regards.
I don’t kow if your mother tongue is english, it seems to me that not, because you don’t understand what I write, you repeat only what , it strange. You don’t understand what is wrong with the pics : they are AGAINS FAMILY JACKSON DESIRES and AGAINST FL LAWS, it’s clear, she had not the right to make them even if she had put them on her facebook, it’s easy to understand. I am not on Faye facebook, I am not brainless and even if I was and ask questions she woud lied once more. I don’t now FAYE, but I am living in LA, and we know for a great majority the strange behavior of FAYE and I know very well Frank Cascio, who lived for many years at Neverland and knows better than anybody private life of Mike.
You are right Antonia, I speak french. Please excuse my poor english. If you want you can tell me what part you didn’t understand so I can clarify it .
Regarding the photos, I obviously think different. If his family was very mad at her, they would have taken legal actions against her, but they haven’t so… May be they have talked already to her, who knows. You don’t, you are still speculating.
I don’t care if Frank Cascio knows better Michale’s private life, it’s totally irrelevant. And I can’t assure what you are saying is true.
I think you should respect the people who likes K.Faye and do not call them “brainless”, it makes you look very unpolite. If you decide not to ask her about the money you say she stole from fans, then, it’s your problem. I think you find it easy to defame her instead. It’s your choice.
I can tell you about other great majorities that speaks very well of Faye, and, there is another great “majority” that hate Cascio, and Grace, etc. but those are not good nor fair points of reference to anybody. But, if they are to you, I respect that.
Remember what Michael said, “Don’t judge anybody, until you have a one on one conversation with that person”.
Keep it cool, spread love.
In 2005, when the trial was finished, Michael went , for a long time, to Frank to take some rest not to Faye. Why do you speak to me about Grace, I am not concerned with her. Finally, do you know Frank and Michael ?
How do you know that Jackson family will not sue her for violating the privary of the grave ? Do you have spoken to a family member ? surely not, pure speculation of your part.
Now I leave you in your sect with your guru Karen, in your very close world.
There is no more deaf than someone who does not want to hear.
Spread the love !!! tell it to your Guru who hates all the women who were very close to Michael.
For your information
mjj2005.com/kopboard/index.php?showtopic=47573&st=40
@CLAUDE
It would seem so–but u have 2 remember that Michael had a family [brother & father] who when they did have access 2 him they always wanted something from him–michael wasnt a strong enough person 2 say no 2 them so he chose 2 distance them from himself–it is widely known that the brothers and the father never handled their finacials lives the proper way which always left them in dire straits–any chance they could get 2 rope michael into a reunion tour or ask him 2 finance something including themselves they would—
perhaps if they stood on their own feet 30 years ago and handled their money properly–they woldnt have had 2 have THAT kinda of relationship with their brother—this wouldve provided a munch better realtionship between the siblings–joseph was/is always gonna be joseph
then maybe they wouldve been able 2 intervene….its sad
lemme state here that im not judging just stating a fact/observation–im sure alot of people have a lot of regrets concerning Michael…..
@Invencible: You are absolutly right.. I think Michael couldn’t trust his family very much, nor so much people around him. It’s a shame… but to be honest with you, I think, with all respect that Katherine could have done something, was his mom… well is just a thought, don’t get me wrong, don’t want to judge her.
I think that we shouldn’t forget that Michael didn’t die because he was thin, sick, or whatever… he died because somebody kill him. Murray took his life poisonning him with incredible quantities and combinations of drugs in a very short period of time, that’s why he really died. Acute Propofol intoxication and Benzo effect.
@Antonia: I am sorry for you. You are the one speculating here, because there are too many things that only Michael could tell and answer (not Cascio, not Faye, not you, not me), so…
I don’t speak to the Jacksons, so I can’t asure you nothing… we’ll see…
There’s so much anger in your heart and a lot of perjudice… you don’t need to insult anybody to make a point, of course you are free to think what ever you want, I respect that.
God Bless you.
Claude thanks so much for opening my eyes, you are the light, I am the ignorance, I am a poor soul in perdition, you are so right, Karen and her “army of love” will save the wolrd. But please let me dare to tell you that you think that I speculate, but you too you speculate, you don’t knowme and you knowwhat I have in my heart. !!!!!!!!
SHANTI SHANTI SHANIT SHANTI
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You are so right, Michael is not dead because he was skinny, anxious, because of all the reasons given by KF, the only right cause of death is propofol and other mixtures given by Murray and KF never mention Murray she SPECULATES only Ortega and AEG killed him, why ? because AEG paid her only in October, four months after, here is the real anger of KF. Please can you speculate why KF is speculating as she has no concrete reason to speculate what she cannot speculate, but I speculate that I am speculating the unspeculatable. Mak a life Claude, please make a life.
God bless you too, Love and Peace and so on
I think women around Michael competed for attention. Michael is all man and I don’t blame them but Karen went over the line in spreading stories about Grace having Aids. That woman needs help. I hope Katherine doesn’t allow her to visit Michael again.
@Samy and Antonia
Hi! I think you should get a life… But whatever…
It’s pretty funny to see how angry you can get for nothing and the most comic thing is that you are not capable to debate with respect and good arguments, so, what is the last resort left for you? agresssssssiooon….. XD LOL!
Shanti Shanti Shanti…. God bless you, and so on…. LOL
You are so right Claude, I was so afraid that you forget me, because I trust you seriously to pray for the redemption of my poor soul.
Have you read the post of Jenkan, interesting how KF is spreading love on Grace.
Please don’t forget me, Pray for me, and above all please answer me
Karen is clueless. She called Shana a “fan.” But Karen has got a LOT OF THINGS WRONG that I’ve even gotten right. I think she needs to come outside her whole she’s dug herself in.
Why would Michael tell Karen his GIRLFRIEND SECRET when SHE TALKS TOO MUCH. Have you seen Shana open a blog and talk about Michael ALL DAY? Hell NO! Shana is probably still MOURNING. You know MJ’s REAL FRIENDS BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE QUIET!!!
Claude I am absolutely not angry, it’s quite the contrary, you make mie die laughing. You want to debate but with you it’s absolutely impossible, you repeat always the same things, like you say in French, “on tourne en rond” it’s totally sterile
Ms Faye seems indeed clueless. First she accuses AEG of killing Michael. Now someone posts an article written by Firpo Carr (?) saying neither Murray, nor Tohme or AEG are guilty – and she says that everything in the article is true.
the comment of “is here” is completing very well the one made by SamyJo. During the time KF was not paid, AEG was a killer, she is paid, suddenly AEG is innocent. This woman is crazy, insame and dangerous because she is brainwashing the majority of her readers who are certainly more since in their pain than her. If I was AEG and Ortega, I should sued her.
I’m a huge Michael Jackson fan….. but I’m glad that I finally got to see a picture of his final resting place…. I tend to think most people here are lying if they weren’t curious to find out for themselves… Besides… why is this disrespectful? You can go to most any cemetery in the world and find anybody’s grave…. yes…. even Elvis Presley… I am happy he got a nice grave site located in a beautiful mausoleum.. However, I for one, would much rather be able to visit his grave myself, but since I can’t do that…. a picture helps…
@Jason MacKenzie
It is not disrespectful to see a picture of an artist’s grave. What is disrespectful in this case is the fact that these pics were done against Jackson family’s desire and after (the worst) sold to the medias. This family wanted that this place remains private. Even if we are huge fans as you, me and many others, the desires of this family comes before our desires, We have lost a wonderful artist, but they have lost a father, son and brother. Also the rules of FL was violated and the laws must be respected by everyone even if we do not approve them.
I’ve seen that has some people here who know people close to MJ, are you know that Shana Mangatal was his last girlfriend and if they indeed had a relationship for 7 years? And when they were 7 years? And the marriage with Lisa Marie was real?
Yes the marriage with Lisa Marie was REAL and after divorce they continued to have a relation till 1998.Lisa Marie was with Michael on a great part of the History Tour. Shana Mangatal never was Michael’s girlfriend, she was only a friend.
To the person who is called ALEX,
Taymoor you really are a hypocrite… You ride off Karen Faye so badly its pitiful with your secret page MJ JACKSON on facebook.. Grow up already and quit throwing Karen under the bus to further yourself..
Quit associating your self with MJ… No one believes you anyway.
And Juliette, its a shame you are such a liar and saying all those lies about karen… Someone like you believes gossip and that is all it is.. You shouldnt speak on lies and gossip, unless its the truth..
Kim Mayers, I agree, if its not bad enough that Taymoor rode Mj’s coat tails while he was alive, he’s now doing it to the makeup artist as well! Get a grip Taymoor, no one is listening, and those that are, are laughing!
Alsanremo Says:
And Alsanremo did you ever think maybe this girl called Shanna hasnt spoken cause she knows she was never a girlfriend but is riding the MJ bus for cash cause she sold a story to Firpo Carr for a fictional book he is writing on Michael Jackson and his girlfriends… Shana is a money grubbing receptionist who has always fabricated untruths for many years now.
Kim Mayers you are surely an addicted K. Faye’s facebook and you believe all what she says without condition, if’s you right. I DO NOT LIE, I hate gossips. I was on Faye’s facebook and I left it because it’s an insane gossips facebook.
Juliette
I think you sound very unstable and need to get some help for that.. You were probably kicked off the page and didnt do it yourself and therefore that is probably why you are so angry and making up lies about karen… what it boils down to is that the ones who says stuff about karen are jealous of her friendship with Michael for almost 30 yrs. Michael never fired Karen and when you base your accusations on internet gossip, that says alot about you..
Who are you to say that Shana Mangatal is a money grubbing receptionis, you are jealous of her ?
Taymoorisafool, you are HILARIOUS! Thank you for speaking the truth….. have you ever seen the pic of him, you know the only pic of him at Michaels’ house in neverland.. I believe someone laughed about him on youtube calling him a perched asshole sitting on the train….. funniest thing i ever read in my life.
No thank you, I am very stable and I don’t need any help. Faye herself told on her facebook that she was fired unfairly by MJ, once during History Tour and once i 2005, I think she said this in early October. Why should I be jealous of Faye ? there is no reason. You think to be a stable person, but for a stable person you have a strange manner to speak.
I said about her being a money grubbing receptionist because she is.. She sells her fake story to Firpo and deserves to get called out…And ? And to be jealous of Shanna? I am much better looking than her but I dont have to lie and try to fool people on my facebook page about an alleged relationship with a man who did not want me but wanted Lisa Marie to marry and had Debbie Rowe have his children instead. Makes her look desperate to have to lie to people when in reality, she had Grace her friend get her into Neverland and then tells people that she and Michael were very close and intimate, but cant even look David Goen in the face when she was saying those false stories to Entertainment Tonight…..
Another thing, to all the miserable people putting down Karen Faye, funny isnt it, YOU are probably on her facebook page as a “friend” and probably spying still to get the scoop as you are saying… Really sad isnt this that you claim to love Michael Jackson but you attack one of the very few people who was loyal to him..
oh Juliette
You are a fool.. Karen never said she was fired.. She did say the guy that was financing the History concert fired her cause she told him to f off when he said he wouldnt pay her fee… And honey, you cant be fired when your employer willingly goes to Bahrain… She was still friends with him during that time and after that time… Stop spying on her facebook page and making up lies… do something constructive with your life honey, read a book, hell write a book, you are very good at fiction already..
Kim mayers : you are dangerously excited. Michael fired Faye in 2005 before going to Bahrain, and before going to Bahrain, he said one month in New York, and Faye said herself she has not seen Michael in the period starting in 2005 till April of this year. Please try to be polite.
Poor poor Juliette, you poor misguided fool….. she was not fired…..awww get your facts straight before you speak.
if Faye was not fired why did she say it. Try to be coherent
Kim mayer : the only unstble person here is you, you coma and insult some people, what is your problem ? take a pill and go to sleep you are not able to speak in an intelligent manner.
And what does that say about you and you are talking smack about Karen and she is not here to defend herself?!?!?! That says you are a little whiny bitch because you are doing it behind her back…. You are funny as hell, “come and insult people” WOW you are such a hypocrite both of you !! I am speaking very good english alsanremo, how about you not speaking at all till you learn how to word your sentences properly dumb ass…..
Karen never admitted to being fired juliette… and stop being a little baby and spying on Karens’ page to find out the info so you can turn around and go to websites and trash her…..You both are very pitiful… You talk about me saying stuff about YOU, but you say LIES and SPIT VENOM about a person who was in his life for almost 30 years…….Jealousy is an ugly thing and especially coming from nobodies like yourselves….If you are going to talk about her and lie on her ladies, oh wait a second did i call you ladies, I meant bitches, say it in front of her and not behind her back so she can refute your LIES……
Juliette, i hate getting involved in these kind of back and forwards threads, but i have to say, after reading through this, that you really have no idea what you are talking about, and its exacty this kind of gossip that MJ fought against all his life! Nothing you say has any kind of validity, so why dont you do some research or STFU about things you have no idea about! becasue all you are doing is creating furthe gossip!
The simple fact of the matter are as follows:
1. Karen Faye was MJ’s makeup artist and friend for 27 years…
2. Fired or not fired, at any stage of their professional involvement, the family trusted Karen Faye enough to prepare their son, brother, uncle, for his final resting place. That there is enough to speak volumes for her credibility…..
so can we all please move on from this karen faye bashing…
just like all of you who didnt even know Michael Jackson, she is in mouring for her friend! and to talk trash about her, makes you pitiful human beings!
Kim Mayer:
That was me on YouTube calling Taymoor a perched bird on the Neverland Train and its the one and only photo the nut case boasts about. Happy I put a smile on your face.
I also said IT WAS ONLY A TRAIN RIDE AT NEVERLAND SO GET OVER IT and honestly I was laughing at my comments myself. I was on a roll that day.
On a serious note I really don’t like what Taymoor is doing. First he joins Karen Faye’s Facebook profile then makes a big deal about dishonest people out to spy on Karen Faye in order to create his own profile but wait for it under a fake name. MjJackson was created by the loser Taymoor and I really think he befriended Karen Faye to build his friends list on his pointless MjJackson page. The tyrade he went on about the spies on her page was all crap he was only out to build on numbers.
I’m sure the dickhead would be reading this so here I go:
SHOVE YOUR “I WON’T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MICHAEL JACKSON BUT THEN AGAIN I WILL” PAGE UP YOUR ASS TAYMOOR. I’M SURE KENNY ORTEGA, AEG AND SONY WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHO IS BEHIND THE MjJACKSON FACEBOOK PAGE. MAKE UP YOUR MIND FUCK NUCKLE WILL YOU SHARE YOUR MEMORIES OF MICHAEL OR IS IT ALL IN YOUR MIND!
Kim mayer : I know my english is not very good, I am italian, and you have no right to blame me because my english is not very good, it seems to me that your english is not very good for you too, and can you speak italian ? Before blaming me for my bad english try to find what is wrong with yourself, your are vulgar, impolite, full of anger and hate exactly what you blame to the others. I have never seen in all the forums I read a so hateful person.
Once again ALSANREMO
when you can speak better english talk to me then… This is an american forum isnt it?! Also, ONCE AGAIN, who are YOU to blast on karen faye and then get all upset when someone blasts YOU…. This bullshit of people attacking her and then actually getting upset cause I am doing to you what you are doing to HER…. Get over it loser.
and bewareoflli, I think you are AWESOME!! Good for you calling out that loser…. He acts as if he is karens’ friend and then promotes himself under that loser page of his MJ JACKSON and thinks he has the right to put her down on his page while he and his cow of a wife spy on her page for information…. He is just another loser and so is his better half for thinking they can attack Karen…..Loser also boasts of his friendship with Michael for all these years but yes, only has that one pic and YOU CALLED HIM OUT on it PERFECTLY ! So many people were laughing at what you wrote and I heard he found out and contacted YouTube and had them remove it or he was going to sue them… I would shake your hand if I ever met you….. Thank you for doing that….
And Taymoorisafool, Thank you too for sticking up for Karen… These fools who have no clue what is going on are attacking one of the very best friends of Michaels who has always had his back and loved him for so long and never sold him out to anyone, including TMZ , think they know everything that is going on and are BLASTING her on this page but then have THE NERVE to get mad at me for sticking up for her and then have the nerve to call me negative and all this other stuff cause I am doing to them to their face what they are doing to her behind her back.. WOW is all I can say to them…..
Once again FOOLS, keep talking trash cause that is all you are doing and dont know anything of what is going on about Michael…. Michael loved her for a reason and think about this, would Michael love what you are doing to her ?! NO HE WOULDNT.
Kim mayer : you are completely mad. you are certainly a cuckold to be as surly
OH DO SFTU please Alsanremo! You have no idea what you’re talking about!
TAYMOORisAfool : what do you want to say ? I now perfectly well of what of I am talking.
God bless you
Alsanremo, not only are you uneducated on anything that touches on the subjects of this thread, this is demonstrated by your utter ignorance….but you are clearly deaf as well, because im certain i polity asked you to STFU… i even said please????
TAYMOORisAfoo : Sorry but I know perfectly well the subject of this thread. I don’t give any order and you have no order to give, I speak if I want, you are very strange. Have a beautiful day and God bless you
Alsanremo,
Girlfriend, I am sorry you were kicked off Karens’ fb page because you said some rude comments about her on another persons’ fb page.. Now i know you speak perfect english too but you are coming here under an alias and talking bad english on purpose to throw people off… I know you are upset cause she took your own words and pasted them on your wall but what did you expect honey?! You are a two faced hypocrite and was SPYING and talking shit on another page…I am going to tell you what you tell people on here.. Why dont you cut the fakeness and be real and shut the F*ck up yourself
And get this too, I say this with L.O.V.E.
You dont have to be so MEAN about it now do you
I would rather be mad than to be a two faced fool too !
Yes Alsanremo, your actions to karen were as Kim says …MEAN…… MMMMM isnt that an anogram for MENA??? oops sorry, just thinking out loud there…
Kim mayer : But what are you saying ? I am not a girl I am a man, my first name is Alberto. I don’t understand what you want to say, of what wall you want to speak, may it’s an english expression that I don’t know. And you TAYMOORisAfool what is mena ? I am wondering if it is not the same person behing Kin mayer and taymoorisafool, you replies are so similar.
Ummmmmmmmmm,,, im sorry Alsanremo, but who said you were a girl??? Your defence of an allegation never made…sounds like a guilty conscience at work to me!
and just to clarify, i could give two hoots who Kim Mayers is, ( No offenseintented to you kim mayers)
my issue here is ignorance and you fall flat on your face in that category…..its funny Alsanremo, how your english cuts in and out depending on the level of ignorance you wish to portray, im sure i read earlier that you said you have perfect english…. but now…. not so much!
The point is………just leave Karen Faye alone, now that you have been removed from her pages, that shouldnt be hard… and again, i politely request that you please please STFU
Carissima Kim, posso parlarti italiano, sei tanto carina che mi farebbe piaccere di fare la tua cortezia, sono un bel uono italiano, mia moglio è la pliù bella donna del monde e ho tre bambini meravigliosi, se vuoi possiamo fare un pezzo di strada insieme
Tanti baci, ti voglio tanto bene amore mio
TAYMOORisAfool : please show me where I said my english was perfect and what STUF means ?
I thought that kim mayer said I was a girl because she or he began his message by Girlfriend
Well then alsanremo, boy your english cleaned up pretty well just now didnt it?!! amazing…….
And for a man that gossips like a girl like you do and if you are a man, you really are a b*tchy one at that.. What kind of man gossips like that and attacks a woman he never met and says horrible things about her (karen)……. A gossipy girl like yourself needs to MAN UP……
kim mayer : are you sure that I have never met Faye. Maybe I worked with Michael Lee Bush on the Dangerous Tour in Italy and maybe I met Faye at that time. Before affirming certains things, please think
Tanti baci carissima Kim
Alsanremo… im sure your three beautiful children are wondering where you are, havent you got better things to do than rag on Karen faye online???? Surely your time would be better spent trying to raise them so they dont turn out jaded and bitter and jealous like you????
OH and PS…….. i speak 4 languages fluently!
Alsanremo, I said girlfriends because only a B*tch would talk like one and I guess you are one… Gossipy too I might add… And also ignorant gossipy one, stfu means shut the f*ck up…… If you are going to talk smack and be mean about people, learn my brother, learn……
And all that gibberish you just said in italian, WHATEVER FOOL and STFU while you are at it !
I say this with L.O.V.E.
Taumoor : My three beautiful are sleeping (here it’s 20:51 of the evening and I am in the living room, so my children are wondering where I am, and stay quiet they very well educated. Congratulations to you for speaking 4 languages, me too I speak English (not very well as your friend Kim says) french, spanish and german. I am jealous of what. You have replied to my question what is mean and STFU ?
Have a nice day
Taymor : you have show me where I said my english was perfect. but you cannot reply because you lied
wow alsanremo, you are really the twisted psycho now arent you – LOL ! English did clean up pretty well now didnt it…. NUT……
Taymor : you said “Ummmmmmmmmm,,, im sorry Alsanremo, but who said you were a girl ??” I was right, kim just replied “Alsanremo, I said girlfriends” so I am stupid as you want to think
Have a wonderful day
Kim, it depends of what I have to say, sometimes I know the correct word and sometimes I don’t know,
Big kisses my dear
Alsanremo………..if you had met Karen Faye, and you worked with Michael Lee Bush, you wouldnt be saying these horrible things about her…and by the way, her name is KAREN …. not FAYE! Im done with you, have a nice pitiful life filled with jealousy and spite against karen, im sure Michael Jackson would be proud of you!
Oh and nope, just checked my Dangerous Tour manifest, dont see your name there for either Rome or Monza in 92, sorry, they must have left your name off the credits, but i’ll happily ask Bushers why this has happened if you like and get it sorted for you????
It was in Monza in 1992, It was necessary to put my name somewhere, I did not make the whole tour, I just replaced a person who was ill. Why you don’t say to me where I said that english was good, why mena and STFU mean, please answer.
Have a great day
Taymor Thank you for this beautiful sentence you told me
“sure Michael Jackson would be proud of you”
Alsanremo……I more thing before i go
SHANA MANGATAL, was not, is not and never was Michael Jackson’s girlfriend!
And before you claim im jealous of her or whatever, you should know, that i once had a very lengthy conversation with MJ about these kinds of woman… they did not impress him, he couldnt fathom their obsessive behaviour!
Shana Mangatal was nothing more that an obsessed fan who moved from her home town to LA in hope of marrying MJ……..even her own brother Todd has spoken out and said that Shana is delusional and that she had said from childhood that she would marry MJ.
SO yes, she was money grabbing when she went on TV and im sure she still is, by giving interviews to Firpo Carr for his rediculous book.
THE END!
Taymor : Can you please give me the proof you spoke with Mike, so many people specially after his death said the same thing, and why you never answer my questions, you are so embarrased that you change always of subjects.
Alsanremo – you provide me with the proof that you worked on the Dangerous Tour? as i cant sem to trace you anywhere….but yet you claim it is true???
Do you see how rediculous your request for proof is??
Yes i spoke with MJ, many many years before he passed, no i dont feel the need to proove it to you, people who know me personally know the truth and the people who were there also know the truth… and they are the people that matter to me, they are the people who i am still in contact with, not you! Funny that NONE of them seem to recall you however!
SO please SFTU now, iv had enough of you and now iv had enough of your lies and questions which serve no purpose bu to shit stir!
You are pathetic and have no right to the opinions you have about karen Faye… your apparent fleeting meeting with her in Italy, does not give you cause to judge her! If it ever happened at all, which i doubt, (as no one recalls your presence)…. maybe you were there, but you certainly didnt make an impact that anyone remembers!
So therefore your opinion of Karen Faye is null and void and based on speculation rather that experience!
Good Morning Taymor
When you shall give me a proof that you spoke to Mike as you says, I shall send you (if you give to me a valuable address, video I made of all the tour, it’s not of good quality but it’s not a professional video as I made it).
Can I know approximatively the date the las time you spoke to Mike ?
I can give the argument as you “people who know me personally know the truth and the people who were there also know the truth… and they are the people that matter to me.
It is strange that nobody don’t recall me. 17 years have passed !! and as I told you I made only replace a person who were sick.
Once more I DO NOT KNOW what STFU menas and also mena.
If you have enough of me, WHY do you reply to me ?
If my questions have no purposes, yous are the same.
If I am pathetic, you too
You have the right to have your opinion on Faye, I have the right to have mine
L.O..V.E.
Hi Taymor
Suddenly, I have notice something very funny, You tols me that you did not fin my name on the documents related to the Dangerous Tour in Monza 1992, but you
DO NOT KNOW MY NAME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and you dare to say that I am pathetic, you are most of pathetic. Alberto is my first name but sanremo is not my name, it’s the name of the city where I was born. And I have made also one another remark, every time that a Faye addicted speaks, they never speaks normally, the are always full of anger, of hate, and quite they have all a rude language. It’s sad.
Have the most beautiful day possible
Alsanremo
you told me your name in the thread above Idiot! Wake up and follow the conversation! you are rediculous!
Alsanremo Says:
Here is your comment seeing as you cant follow a simple thread!
Alsanremo
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Kim mayer : But what are you saying ? I am not a girl I am a man, my first name is Alberto. I don’t understand what you want to say, of what wall you want to speak, may it’s an english expression that I don’t know. And you TAYMOORisAfool what is mena ? I am wondering if it is not the same person behing Kin mayer and taymoorisafool, you replies are so similar.
Here is your comment Alsanremo seeing as you cant follow a simple thread!
im pretty sure you told me your name there! My god WAKE UP!
Alsanremo says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Kim mayer : But what are you saying ? I am not a girl I am a man, my first name is Alberto. I don’t understand what you want to say, of what wall you want to speak, may it’s an english expression that I don’t know. And you TAYMOORisAfool what is mena ? I am wondering if it is not the same person behing Kin mayer and taymoorisafool, you replies are so similar.
Taymor, the ridiculous one is you. I gave my FIRST name ALBERTO, there thousands and thousands name like this one, but I did NOT give the family name, the name who make the difference with other persons called ALBERTO, you are ridiculous but also brainless, you understand nothing,
Why do you not reply to my proposition to send you the move I made in Monza 1992, why do you reply to my question when was the last time you spoke to Mike, because you are very very very embarrassed and you do not know why to reply. I surely made a mistake in thinking you are a valuable interlocutor
L.O.V.E.
No Alsanremo, You are the one looking a fool… Your psychotic self is showing
Also, stfu means shut the F*ck up fool !
Love,
Kim
Good evening my sweet Kim
What F*ck means ? and also mena, I have asked to Taymor but ner she or he replies. I should like to know for improving my english. Hope you have a great day. You seem to me a very bitter, iritable, nervous, unstable person. You are full of anger and hate, why? the life is too short to find complications. Be cool, and all will be more beautiful. It’s strange, but I have notice that in the great majority of the forum about Mike, all the addicted Faye’s fans are always rude and impolite. Come here in Italy,people are cool, you will see the life differently. I think you a lonely person in the life without a man (or woman) to take care of you.
See you later, Kim, say hello for me to Taymor
Now Alsanremo
I take that as a compliment then… and you are right, Life Is Beautiful … And as a matter of fact, my man did just serviced me about 10 minutes ago and guess what, It was his name I was calling out and not Karen Fayes like you have been doing… Good sex will do that to you, release all kind of good endorphins and stress… Maybe instead of using your right hand all the time, you should get with a woman cause I would bet that blow up doll you use is chock full now, wouldnt you say 
Once again do i need to remind you of all the hate YOU and others were saying on here about karen but then I bounced in and called you hateful and bitter and all the things you were calling Karen, I was calling you right back…. But I am full of anger and hate !?!? Pot meet Kettle, Kettle meet Pot…… If being defensive of someone YOU dont know and having her back because like a little girl you are on here talking smack without her knowing about it, so be it
Love you once again love of my life alsanremo !
Kim
kim mayer, I must admit that I have not understand what you but I can tell you that I am a man of 35 years old, my wife Dolina is 32 years old, we have 3 beautiful children, why do I have to call out Faye, she is about 55 years olf she is old, she could be my mother, really I am lost, I don’t uderstand what you want to say. Please I ask it once again, what F*ck means ? Please answer me quickly I need to you
Big hugs
Alsenremo:
F*ck = Fuck.
STFU = Shut The Fuck Up.
LOL = Laugh Out Loud.
ROTFLMAO = Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Ass Off
bewareoflli he is just being a smart ass on not knowing what fuck means, lol ! he speaks perfect english when he wants but uses the broken english when he is being an ass
Thank you bewareoflli for the information, I did not knew also ROTFMAO, thanks for telling.
Kim i was missing, you are so constructive in your argument. You hate, no problem, but try even to be a little intelligent, it’s normal that I write correct english when I know all the words, and it is normal that I write bad english when I do not the words, it is specialy difficult to me to speak for past things because the verbs are difficult, I use frequently google translation, sorry to tell you because contrary to you I want to remain polite but you are very ignorant an hateful and I can sent you back all the vulgarities you have tell me. Please don’t forget to reply because your coments are very delifghtul and I read them I am ROTFLMAO
Have a wonderful day, I don’t know where you are, here in Italy, it’s hot and there is a wonderful sun
Aww once again alsamereoo, when you were bashing Karen, was that out of love or hate ? Now think before you speak and take your time pumpkin.. Oh and in case you dont know what pumpkin means, its a term of endearment. I love your positive outlook on life.. The weather here in the united states is quite cold at this time of the year in case you are wondering but it is in season with the holiday of Christmas right around the corner but we love it
Many blessings to you and your family, hopefully they will never have anyone bash them on a public forum by people that dont even know them. Sad that people like you project that you are full of love, but hate for someone you dont even know but of course, since you are being mean to karen, that makes it allright i guess.. Oh and in case you need translation for bashing or bash, that mean trashing a person and trying to hurt their image..
May your day be full of sunshine and warm and happy thoughts and that your blow up doll is still able to function after all the wear and tear you do to it….
love and kisses to you
Kim, I was afraid you have forget me, 4 hours without a message from you, I ws completely devastated. My wide Dolina is make of flesh and bones, she is not a doll, she is real. You know for christmas present, I should like to offer a brain. yours is very out. you repeat always the same argumets, you have very little ideas and a very repetitive vocabulary. it’s pity. Reply me quickly, i am so impatient
@TaymoorISaFOOL
I know perfectly well that Michael Lee Bush and KF prepared the body of MJ
I know perfectly well also that Jackson family was kind enough to give to her the privilege for having the possibility to visit MJ’s grave.
I know perfectly well also that she betrayed MJ family in making pics of MJ’s grave. KF has finally showed her real personality. If she was apparently loyal to MJ when he alive it’s simply because she knew if she had betray him, he woul have fired at once.
You speak of her credibility, sorry I don’t see any credibility in her
@Kim Mayer :
If you don’t know that KF was fired twice, this means that you don’t know her very well, she tolf herself in her facebook that during History Tour, Ben Amar (then manager of MJ) fired her. MJ never fired directly an employee, he asked always to his manager to do it. In 2005 Raymone Bain fired KF at the request again of MJ. Between 2005 and April 2009 , KF never saw MJ, if MJ considered KF as a friend and not as an employee, he would have been in contact with her
And guess what Juliette, you obviously dont know shit but since you are such a spy on karen’s page, she said why she was fired from the History tour and next time you quote her page, do it correctly and dont add lies to it to make it look worse. She was fired from him yes because he tried to give her less money than she usually made cause he was sponsoring the tour and she told him to f himself. Also fat ass raymone Baine did not fire Karen, get that right, Fat ass racist raymone and racist grace went off to bahrain yes with Michael, but Michael didnt fire karen dumb ass. When your employer goes to another COUNTRY, just because you cant follow him there because you have a child yourself and because your employer is not as wealthy as he used to be, doesnt mean you are fired.. How stupid did you just sound saying those half ass lies there…
Next time you try to look smart and say something cause we know you arent, say it truthfully and dont embellish it and make up shit.. If you are going to spy on her page, quote the truth and not those lies you just made up stupid ass.
And poor stupid dumb naive juliette, karen did speak to michael while he was in Bahrain but i guess you must have missed that didnt you when you were watching her page or missed a day…
@Kim Mayer :
Yes KF said why she was fired during the History Tour, but she did give the right reason, Yes it was Ben Amar who fired her, but he received the order coming from Michael, who was upset by something she did.
I think it’s you who do not read correctly KF’s facebook, because the reason she gives it’s she replied with a bad word when Ben Amar spoke to her, you see it’s not the reason you quote in your comment.
Please what do you mean by this sentence : ” because your employer is not as wealthy as he used to be”.
I don’t spy on her pages, I read what whe writes.
She told herself that she had no contact with Michael since 2005 till April 2009
And finally, can you be polite in your comment, mine was
Firpo Carr (Jackson spokesperson) says that Karen Faye was fired because she was racist to nanny grace (Grace Rwaramba). He also says that Karen Faye is a fantasist.
Probably 4 the last hour now my heads bn spinning around and around in circles about whats going 2 happen.Ive also read that Karen has told some fans that they will eventually be allowed 2 go and visit Michaels grave.Personally i wouldnt b surprised if it happens it would b nice but Karen is in no position 2 say these things unlsee the family have gave permission 2 do so.Ive also read a comment where some1 got in touch with some1 at forest lawns about there request and they replied back saying they cant say whats happening appart from Michaels bodys still there 4 the familys private reasons.4 some reason ive got a feeling that they WILL let the fans eventually visit the grave 1 day maybe next year next week month in 20 years time whenever but until then we have 2 respect their wishes and im hoping that Karen hasnt caused more upset 4 fans or the family friends or any1 who genuinely loves and cares about Michael.If any1 knows whats going on PLEASE let me know thankyou but like i said until we are allowed 2 visit the grave all we can do is respect their wished and wait.
K. Faye has always speaks too much, she know nothing, she has been banned fromm Forest Lawn because she has violated their laws in making pics of Michael’s grave.
Karen Faye is a VERY dangerous and unstable woman. What a nut!! She is ‘nutty as a fruit cake’.
It is true, Karen Faye has been banned from Forest Lawn by the Jackson family. She is also is serious financial hotwater. She was a make up artist in Hollywood and is NOT getting any bookings because celebrities fear her opening her big mouth about them.
That is the reason that is writing this sham of a book.For the cash. She is another one of those money hungry so-called friends of MIchael’s.
Karen Faye did not even speak to Michael between 2005 and early 2009. He didn’t re-hire her AEG did. The lady is a crack-pot she needs to take her sorry assaway from my face.
All these people lying on Michael. Karen Faye, you shoud know better. She is a shady character and fair-weather friend!!
A few days ago i read that apparantly Karen Faye had told some fans or posted on a website that fans will be allowed 2 visit Michael Jacksons grave once a week altho some people believe it but dont want 2 get their hopes up and some simply dont.What do you think feel 3 2 share your opinions.IF anyone knows tha this is true or not then PLEASE let me know thankyou its driving me crazy because i really want 2 know and importantly NEED 2 know.Either way wheter its this year in 2010 in 5 years 10 years 20 years 5 months 5 weeks whenever i definately think IT WILL HAPPEN.It annoys me that most of the times its only about the money altho i WILL go ive GOT 2 GO or do something
I am on K. Faye facebook and I have never read that she told that fans will be allowed to visit Michael’s grave.
Ok from what ive read im a bit confused and do really know what 2 think about Karen now but can some1 PLEASE TELL ME HONESTLY.Is it true that there are plans being made by the jackson family forest lawns both or whoever 2 allow fans 2 visit Michaels grave once a week.Altho either way how long it takes i just KNOW some how something WILL HAPPEN.
If any1 wants 2 email me my email address is simikate2004@yahoo.co.uk
Genny did you mean i should know better os Karen should.I would NEVER EVER TRY 2 HURT MICHAEL JACKSON ON PURPOSE OR BY ACCIDENT EVER.Just one last thing coz i really wanna know the truth about 2 or 3 weeks ago i was told by some1 that they had apparantly heard the Jacksons r apparantly suggesting a spot 4 Michael 2 b moved 2 i think either way where it is and when it is i think FANS WILL B ALLOWED 2 VISIT HIS RESTING PLACE AND I WILL DEFINATELY GO.
I WILL ALWAYS LOVE U MICHAEL JACKSON C U IN HEAVEN RIP
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